{"id":40112,"date":"2019-12-18T16:55:10","date_gmt":"2019-12-18T16:55:10","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.cloudcomputing-news.net\/news\/2019\/dec\/18\/amazon-criticises-new-york-times-open-source-theft\/"},"modified":"2019-12-18T16:55:10","modified_gmt":"2019-12-18T16:55:10","slug":"amazon-criticises-new-york-times-reporting-of-open-source-theft-concerns","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/icloud.pe\/blog\/amazon-criticises-new-york-times-reporting-of-open-source-theft-concerns\/","title":{"rendered":"Amazon criticises New York Times&#8217; reporting of open source theft concerns"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.cloudcomputing-news.net\/media\/img\/news\/amazon_aws_cloud_new_york_times_response.jpg\"><\/p>\n<p>AWS vice president Andi Gutmans has penned a scathing response to an article highlighting concerns that Amazon is stealing the innovations of startups.<\/p>\n<p>New York Times journalist Daisuke Wakabayashi wrote an article titled <em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2019\/12\/15\/technology\/amazon-aws-cloud-competition.html\">Prime Leverage: How Amazon Wields Power in the Technology World<\/a><\/em> in which he highlighted several cases where Amazon is said to have &quot;strip-mined&quot; (as startups have coined it) open source technology.<\/p>\n<p>The main example is of Amsterdam-based startup Elastic that was rapidly expanding and whose product, ElasticSearch, was already available for AWS. In 2015, Amazon said it was going to copy the freely-available ElasticSearch and make it a paid service.<\/p>\n<p>Amazon began making more cash than Elastic by offering deeper integration with its own products. Elastic responded by making premium features which Amazon then reportedly copied and made free.<\/p>\n<p>Elastic is now suing Amazon for violating its trademark by calling their own product ElasticSearch. In the complaint, Elastic stated that Amazon &quot;misleads customers&quot;. The court case is still pending.<\/p>\n<p>Wakabayashi goes on to highlight other cases where Amazon is accused of the aforementioned strip-mining. One is MongoDB, which Amazon is said to have copied the &ldquo;look-and-feel&rdquo; of an older version. Furthermore, when AWS customers search for &quot;MongoDB&quot; from the management console, they are provided with Amazon&#39;s own alternative which states that it&#39;s &ldquo;compatible with MongoDB.&rdquo;<\/p>\n<p>During a dinner which MongoDB&#39;s chief executive Dev Ittycheria had with the heads of six other tech firms, the conversation reportedly switched to whether to publicly accuse Amazon of behaving like a monopoly.<\/p>\n<p>Wakabayashi even sourced comments from people who actively decided against making their products open source due to fear that Amazon would copy them.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;The journalist largely ignores the many positive comments he got from partners because it&rsquo;s not as salacious copy for him,&quot; Gutmans said in <a href=\"https:\/\/aws.amazon.com\/blogs\/opensource\/setting-the-record-straight-aws-open-source\/\">a blog post<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>However, not all of the cases highlighted by Wakabayashi were negative. Databricks&#39; chief executive Ali Ghodsi said that AWS salespeople lifted the sales of his company&#39;s products and that he doesn&#39;t &quot;see them using shenanigans to stop us.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Gutmans insisted that Amazon &quot;contributes mightily to open source projects&quot; and that &quot;AWS has not copied anybody&rsquo;s software or services.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>It must be reiterated that Elastic is not suing Amazon for copying its product&nbsp;as it was open source. Executives from MongoDB, on the other hand, <a href=\"https:\/\/siliconangle.com\/2019\/01\/09\/amazon-launches-documentdb-database-service-rival-mongodb\/\">suggested<\/a> to SiliconAngle earlier this year that they believe Amazon&#39;s DocumentDB is a copy of their product that&#39;s &ldquo;based on MongoDB code from two years ago.&rdquo;<\/p>\n<p>Rightly or wrongly, it&#39;s clear there are serious concerns within the industry about how Amazon is wielding its power. Reaching out to understand why executives from these companies hold such concerns would be a more productive approach than criticising journalists for reporting them.<\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-left:0cm; margin-right:0cm\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.cybersecuritycloudexpo.com\/\" style=\"color:#0563c1; text-decoration:underline\"><span style=\"color:blue\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"https:\/\/www.cybersecuritycloudexpo.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/09\/cyber-security-world-series-1.png\" src=\"https:\/\/www.cybersecuritycloudexpo.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/09\/cyber-security-world-series-1.png\" style=\"height:59px; width:272px\" \/><\/span><\/a><strong>Interested in hearing industry leaders discuss subjects like this and sharing their experiences and use-cases<\/strong>? Attend the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cybersecuritycloudexpo.com\/\" style=\"color:#0563c1; text-decoration:underline\">Cyber Security &amp; Cloud Expo World Series<\/a> with upcoming events in Silicon Valley, London and Amsterdam to learn more.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.cloudcomputing-news.net\/media\/img\/news\/amazon_aws_cloud_new_york_times_response.jpg\"><\/p>\n<p>AWS vice president Andi Gutmans has penned a scathing response to an article highlighting concerns that Amazon is stealing the innovations of startups.<\/p>\n<p>New York Times journalist Daisuke Wakabayashi wrote an article titled <em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2019\/12\/15\/technology\/amazon-aws-cloud-competition.html\">Prime Leverage: How Amazon Wields Power in the Technology World<\/a><\/em> in which he highlighted several cases where Amazon is said to have &#8220;strip-mined&#8221; (as startups have coined it) open source technology.<\/p>\n<p>The main example is of Amsterdam-based startup Elastic that was rapidly expanding and whose product, ElasticSearch, was already available for AWS. In 2015, Amazon said it was going to copy the freely-available ElasticSearch and make it a paid service.<\/p>\n<p>Amazon began making more cash than Elastic by offering deeper integration with its own products. Elastic responded by making premium features which Amazon then reportedly copied and made free.<\/p>\n<p>Elastic is now suing Amazon for violating its trademark by calling their own product ElasticSearch. In the complaint, Elastic stated that Amazon &#8220;misleads customers&#8221;. The court case is still pending.<\/p>\n<p>Wakabayashi goes on to highlight other cases where Amazon is accused of the aforementioned strip-mining. One is MongoDB, which Amazon is said to have copied the &ldquo;look-and-feel&rdquo; of an older version. Furthermore, when AWS customers search for &#8220;MongoDB&#8221; from the management console, they are provided with Amazon&#8217;s own alternative which states that it&#8217;s &ldquo;compatible with MongoDB.&rdquo;<\/p>\n<p>During a dinner which MongoDB&#8217;s chief executive Dev Ittycheria had with the heads of six other tech firms, the conversation reportedly switched to whether to publicly accuse Amazon of behaving like a monopoly.<\/p>\n<p>Wakabayashi even sourced comments from people who actively decided against making their products open source due to fear that Amazon would copy them.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;The journalist largely ignores the many positive comments he got from partners because it&rsquo;s not as salacious copy for him,&#8221; Gutmans said in <a href=\"https:\/\/aws.amazon.com\/blogs\/opensource\/setting-the-record-straight-aws-open-source\/\">a blog post<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>However, not all of the cases highlighted by Wakabayashi were negative. Databricks&#8217; chief executive Ali Ghodsi said that AWS salespeople lifted the sales of his company&#8217;s products and that he doesn&#8217;t &#8220;see them using shenanigans to stop us.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Gutmans insisted that Amazon &#8220;contributes mightily to open source projects&#8221; and that &#8220;AWS has not copied anybody&rsquo;s software or services.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>It must be reiterated that Elastic is not suing Amazon for copying its product&nbsp;as it was open source. Executives from MongoDB, on the other hand, <a href=\"https:\/\/siliconangle.com\/2019\/01\/09\/amazon-launches-documentdb-database-service-rival-mongodb\/\">suggested<\/a> to SiliconAngle earlier this year that they believe Amazon&#8217;s DocumentDB is a copy of their product that&#8217;s &ldquo;based on MongoDB code from two years ago.&rdquo;<\/p>\n<p>Rightly or wrongly, it&#8217;s clear there are serious concerns within the industry about how Amazon is wielding its power. Reaching out to understand why executives from these companies hold such concerns would be a more productive approach than criticising journalists for reporting them.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.cybersecuritycloudexpo.com\/\"><span><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"https:\/\/www.cybersecuritycloudexpo.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/09\/cyber-security-world-series-1.png\" src=\"https:\/\/www.cybersecuritycloudexpo.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/09\/cyber-security-world-series-1.png\"><\/span><\/a><strong>Interested in hearing industry leaders discuss subjects like this and sharing their experiences and use-cases<\/strong>? Attend the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cybersecuritycloudexpo.com\/\">Cyber Security &amp; Cloud Expo World Series<\/a> with upcoming events in Silicon Valley, London and Amsterdam to learn more.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":78,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-40112","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/icloud.pe\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/40112","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/icloud.pe\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/icloud.pe\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/icloud.pe\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/78"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/icloud.pe\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=40112"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/icloud.pe\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/40112\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":40113,"href":"https:\/\/icloud.pe\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/40112\/revisions\/40113"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/icloud.pe\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=40112"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/icloud.pe\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=40112"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/icloud.pe\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=40112"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}